composite chiron in 12th house
In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. Its not special, its common. Im from a country in southamerica. This can make them appear easily influenced by others, which could lead them to not knowing what direction they should take with their lives. Doing stuff without thinking clearly. Its weird weird weird . I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. Im always attracted to those types of relationships Topic: Composite Chart: Moon and Chiron in the Seventh House: Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake . my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. The 12th house native likely suffered in their childhood due to being overly sensitive and empathetic. crone status for women. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. . Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. Another spin given to the 12th house . The Chiron return arrives at age 50, bringing for many a. pinnacle of achievement, authority, boldness, and charisma. I was heart broken all over again. There is a feeling of neglect present spiritually. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. But also to wound each other? Covered Here: The Composite 12th House in the Signs Composite Planets in the 12th House Transit Planets in the Composite 12th House I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? how this would manifest? Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). You explain the ineffable. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. Just not what I wanted to hear. The ego thing is very true. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. It has been a very long journey! Composite 12th house in Taurus= Issues with Stubborness. Chiron in 12th House . Because thats what it feels like! When someone's Chiron is in the 12th house of their (potential) partner, it represents a relationship in which one person will teach another to embrace mortality and enjoy life while it lasts. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. That may mean leaving you behind. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. Thank you for your reply Dawn . This makes so much sense. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. Hi!! There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) hi dawn Its the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planets positive expression easily. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. Here are some basic info for the signs in the 12th house: Composite 12th in Aries= Karmic issues with anger. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. I noticed you dont offer composite readings. I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. When we split up I cried every day for a month. Most of my relationships are like that . The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. Hi! Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. I just am hesitating. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. But I do have one question? Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. RUN ? thanks!! Your email address will not be published. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. VERY-VERY SORRY! VERY-VERY SORRY! Its pretty rare. Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. North Node conjuncts Desc. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. Everywords pounding in me. Wow very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. What is it that makes it work? I do all these within a synastry consulation. As someone with Chiron placed in 12th House, spirituality shapes your identity through isolation and imagination. Thank you SO very much for this post. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it-it's our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Haunting One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. Useful Chiron in 12th House Crystals Jasper Malachite Professional Readings 2023 Yearly 30 Minute Astrology Report Recent Articles Ceres Aspects Lilith Aspects Juno in Houses Ceres in Houses Lilith in Houses Astrological Events New Moon in Taurus Increasing pleasures May 19 2023 Jupiter in Taurus Productive Growth Its part of me. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) Chiron In 1st House, Chiron In First House Meaning; Sun In 1st House, Sun In First . #2. i think venus in the 12th would be a weak position for a composite chart because it is a cadent house . Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. so we find the True in each other. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. Any advice would be helpful. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. And it KILLS ME! However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. So much uncertainty and confusion!! I use both in my practice. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. I cant really comment without seeing the charts. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. That was over three years ago. Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. Well it is a living hell right now! Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. Chiron sextile or trine the Sun, Moon, . Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. !! Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. Thank you. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. Beautiful article!! I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. Lots of greetings from Serbia. Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. You will both be changed deeply by it. mercury and mercury conj. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). Hes Gemini sun . The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. What to make of this? Most of it is illusions I know.. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. He knows me better than I know myself at times. Thank you in advance. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. Aghh! what kind of compassion do you think can be generated from a composite mars in 12th house? I dont know whether this situation is karma? We are very romantic together and trust each other. I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. I think the fact that were both artists gave this aspect an outlet. The various areas of your life where there might be certain effects cannot be pinpointed as this stage is a little bit vague. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. Our lives are silly and sublime at once. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. Anything different there? Good luck. Thank You so much for Your answer! Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. great post- thank you! Hi Daw I've been hearing it's some kind of unrequited love for the venus person's part, but . Our physical connection was addicting. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. Then we hurt each other. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. What do you think? Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. Composite Chiron can be strongest when in the composite 1st house or conjunct (aligned with) a composite planet (especially a personal planet - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) or composite angle (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th house cusps). Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. this is an aspect on infidelity.it shows he is manipulative and insensitive to you.i would think that he is cheating on your currently. Composite Jupiter in the 12th House With Composite Jupiter in the 12th house, you can find that subconscious issues and motivations, baggage and karma seem to be easier in this pairing, and they don't cause as many issues as they normally do. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. Escapist activities such as drugs, drinking, watching television, and compulsions are often found here in the12th house. In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. Sense of self and feeling of completeness comes from your identification with the Divine. Transit Moon in the Composite 6th House. Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. I read your article and its really touching! I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. It also works the other way. Sun conj. Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Greetings. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? What is the best approach? The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years.
